[That's the hardest part about this. He will always feel awful for Elias. He doesn't hate him, he doesn't wish any harm upon him, but he can't follow him anymore with the same kind of unwavering belief and acceptance.]

Well -- well just look at the past couple of months. At all the things he's done. And every time we've said oh, he meant well didn't he, like that makes any of it better, and then nothin' ever changes. It's just -- every man has a line and he's edging up on mine, is all.